tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post7491413574734934775..comments2023-10-26T07:58:23.045-07:00Comments on SAGE'S PLAY: Are You Pro Aging or Anti Aging?Gaea Yudronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-41435889293691237392017-07-19T01:14:57.595-07:002017-07-19T01:14:57.595-07:00Thanks for posting this info. I just want to let y...Thanks for posting this info. I just want to let you know that I just check out your site and I find it very interesting and informative. I can't wait to read lots of your posts.<br /><a href="https://igotyouth.com/" rel="nofollow">anti-aging</a><br />johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01915780128741556109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-36177492100514588902017-01-07T00:18:54.480-08:002017-01-07T00:18:54.480-08:00Skin care product that can turn back the hands of ...Skin care product that can turn back the hands of time is quickly becoming one of the best-selling anti-aging cream of all time. Try Dermogenix for everyday results from taking Dermogenix on a daily basis. <a href="https://healthyamericanmale.com/dermogenix-review/" rel="nofollow">How Dermogenix Works</a>Robert Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17759200828157171783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-45404639142389560102013-01-11T16:18:57.072-08:002013-01-11T16:18:57.072-08:00I did attend...I liked it a lot and think she has ...I did attend...I liked it a lot and think she has done years of amazing work using the circle for leadership and change--plus she is a wonderful writer.Gaea Yudronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-13771439322818349152013-01-11T11:41:38.834-08:002013-01-11T11:41:38.834-08:00Thanks for the "heads up" on the book yo...Thanks for the "heads up" on the book you are currently reading by Christina Baldwin. I checked out her website today and found her passion for "Storycatching" and "Circles" quite inspiring. I'm sorry now that I missed her session at the Sage-ing Conference ... did you happen to attend her presentation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02775360045754529817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-60226167863226599602013-01-11T09:17:35.108-08:002013-01-11T09:17:35.108-08:00Rain, what wonderful women you have had as kin! Th...Rain, what wonderful women you have had as kin! Thank you for sharing these great stories of how they aged. <br /><br />I am working in the field of creative, conscious aging, so I naturally do a lot of research, reading and reflection on the aging process, and I communicate with others about what I notice. Gaea Yudronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-37416184977277082392013-01-11T06:41:21.426-08:002013-01-11T06:41:21.426-08:00I wonder how much of this is related to our experi...I wonder how much of this is related to our experiences with the elderly. I had two great grandmothers, who early on were examples. One was a kick up your heels type who wore wigs and still had men wanting to be boyfriends well into her old age. The other more the sit in a chair and have the family gather around her. They didn't really talk about aging. They did it and not in any negative way. Same with my mother and mother-in-law. They didn't take classes, even read the kinds of books I did in my 50s, but they did age with grace. Mom broke a hoe handle over the back of a bull that had gotten out when she was in her mid 70s somewhere. She was walking and exercising actively right til the end of her life which came pretty fast. With those examples, it's probably influenced how I see it. Aging is not bad or good. It just is and to ignore what is means missing a part of a person's life. There are parts that obviously are better than others which is true of all of life's stages.Rain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-77327704541443260252013-01-11T06:05:58.323-08:002013-01-11T06:05:58.323-08:00Sue, Glad you enjoyed Carol Orsborn's perspect...Sue, Glad you enjoyed Carol Orsborn's perspectives. I am reading Christina Baldwin's book Calling the Circle right now. She is quite a wonderful writer and the book is very relevant to our Sage-ing work. Karen, are you both for and against war? Sometimes it makes sense to take a stand. Anti-aging as a field of thought promotes youth-ism. It plays on people's fears of growing old. Pro aging supports engaging one's aging experience as a growth opportunity. Rain, the "inner work" of aging describes the developmental tasks of later life, such as life review, life repair, leaving a legacy.Gaea Yudronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-64248431664211748982013-01-10T12:47:21.030-08:002013-01-10T12:47:21.030-08:00I'm not really into the choice...of dichotomie...I'm not really into the choice...of dichotomies: pro or anti. I'm much more a both/and kind of person. Anything else locks me into being for or against, on one side or another. What would nature do? grow, evolve, inter-be. Yea, that works better for me. :-)tutuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01724083268492711554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-34633161028452045222013-01-10T11:57:03.970-08:002013-01-10T11:57:03.970-08:00Another wonderful blog, Gaea, that continues to he...Another wonderful blog, Gaea, that continues to help me broaden my understanding of ageism. The video of Dr. Orsborn IS well worth watching. I actually watched several more of her videos posted on YouTube. When she speaks of an Age Consciousness Group ... she is describing Sage-ing Circles. Thanks again, for helping to broaden my understanding! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02775360045754529817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-69242968422022890882013-01-10T08:58:14.666-08:002013-01-10T08:58:14.666-08:00well we all see aging differently and the word fie...well we all see aging differently and the word fierce doesn't work for me. It stands for all the things people object to about the aged today as in demanding they/we/me get something while denying it to babies as in health care. And what about the old folks who supported Romney because they wanted things to stay the way they were? Suppposedly he had a majority of those over 65 voting for him. What the heck was that all about?<br /><br />Old age is very different for different people and will change for us as we go through it. Like the link you had about the woman celebrating 56 by running a long distance. She may be the very one having a knee or hip replacement at 66. Some of that is a denial of the body actually capable of wearing out body parts. And yes, some can keep right on doing those things into their 80s but it's not the norm or even what we should aspire to being. We should be us to the ultimate that is even if that means knitting in a rocking chair.<br /><br />I spend time off and on writing or thinking about old age but such introspection is not central to my life at all (but where you are creating a play about it, I can see where that is different for you. And that might be the difference between us. Mostly I haven't written about the old other than side characters (which I do love having in stories)< but I am building up the impetus to write a romance that will be about a woman in her late 50s, man nearly 70 and second male character of say early 60s although that age is undecided. It would be the first time I wrote about those issues in fiction. <br /><br />I wrote a blog which will be Saturday in my Thoughts blog about how we are the mother of who we will be and were the mother of who we are as well as going into the various aspects that make us who we are today. I spent time thinking about it for that but otherwise, I don't feel the need to constantly reevaluate where I am or have been or want to be. I try to live in the now which doesn't really involve thinking about aging as such other than when the now presents me with some aspect I cannot ignore-- like a muscle that won't do what it is supposed to do. <br /><br />Thinking of spending a lot of time on the inner work reminds me of a friend who was spending a lot of time connecting with her inner child-- workshops, meditations, the whole bit. I couldn't relate to that either. Maybe some of this is just our different personalities, experiences, expectations. <br /><br />I did quite a bit of reading about 'old age' when I was in my 50s, as it interested me then what might be coming and how I could make the most of it; but lately I read only really your blog and Ronni's for those that center on old age. And my own is a mix of many topics with aging being only one aspect. I might write though about how I think aging would involve one of the romances for Rain Trueax whenever I get the historicals roughed out and have time to think about that which might follow 'A Montana Christmas' where i actually found this possible new contemporary romance for the elders. I like the idea of a romance involving older characters. And have liked movies that sometimes do that so well-- and other times set up unrealistic expectations for what elders (the majority) can expect. Rain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-8012758303109502422013-01-10T08:18:43.397-08:002013-01-10T08:18:43.397-08:00I find Carol Orsborn to be full of great insights ...I find Carol Orsborn to be full of great insights about aging. She is not angry or aggressive or serene but she is thoughtful and inventive. I like her work. In my musical revue, I have a fierce female archetype Baba Yaga. It's not that she's the flip side of the "Sweet little old lady" stereotype because she is mythical, but she does illustrate the value of fierceness in cutting through. I think that a well-explored old age is an integrative summation and a harvest, and in that sense it is better than the earlier times of life. Age if we are lucky or take the time to do the inner work allows us to deeper our self-understanding and contribute to others from a more full viewpoint.Gaea Yudronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-46193398456194147552013-01-10T08:05:36.651-08:002013-01-10T08:05:36.651-08:00I think what turned me off was that word fierce. I...I think what turned me off was that word fierce. It just struck me wrong. Like in your face. Obnoxious. Fighting. Angry. I don't care for serene either but we don't need an adjective for aging, do we? What about just it is what it is and make the most of it. I don't want to be an in your face type of person. It is so typical though of the Baby Boomer group that want it all their way at every age. It's not like old age is superior to all other ages. It is a step along the way to the end. That's neither bad nor good. It's reality. I guess if people want to sell things, sell workshops, books, they have to come up with something different, something that is going to push their view onto others. It just isn't the way I want to be or what i like to be around. I prefer the way you seem to present aging as reality but don't be caught in the stereotype of what it was for our grandmothers. We can make it be whatever we want for us. Less options, of course, but not none. I think it's a rather exciting time where we did the things we were supposed to do based on culture anyway and now we can do what works for us. I began to feel that freedom from the time I turned 60-- after I got over the fact that I really was 60 something lolRain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-32896550630077549692013-01-09T20:01:01.901-08:002013-01-09T20:01:01.901-08:00Hi Rain, Thanks for this wonderful message. I am s...Hi Rain, Thanks for this wonderful message. I am sure that Barbara Grufferman is still quite young and her viewpoint is different from mine in some significant ways. I am glad that she is doing the work she is doing to open younger old folks up. Carol Orsborn is much more aligned with my own views and attitudes. I think she is in her 60s. She doesn't hide her age. I just don't remember it exactly. Aging is quite an adventure. I appreciate what you have shared about your own experience.Gaea Yudronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013222275959251523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-444241135730921146.post-50600832866877610102013-01-09T14:05:24.596-08:002013-01-09T14:05:24.596-08:00What age is Dr. Grufferman? To me she looks barely...What age is Dr. Grufferman? To me she looks barely 50 and a bit like she uses Botox or has already had some work done. Is that part of her philosophy of aging positively? I don't know if someone in their early 50s has much to say about what's coming as yes, she's aging, but she's not yet into old age. <br /><br />I looked but could not find where either writer gave their birth year or age. Maybe I just missed it but it wasn't easy to find-- is there a reason for that? Since Dr. Orsborn says she writes for the baby-boomers, that could put her anywhere from I think 68 to 50s somewhere. Is their not giving their age an indicator that they think the number shouldn't matter?<br /><br />I can't get into the idea of fierce with age but I can get into positive aging. Some of what I do relates not so much to trying to stay younger looking or live longer but to live better for as long as possible. I can't say I am pro or anti aging as frankly it's not really a choice I can vote on. I am aging, and I try to be realistic for what that means. Some does relate to physical beauty, some to different ways of doing things. <br /><br />And I also resist that term young at heart. It makes zero sense to me but then I never thought of myself as young at heart when I was young. I don't have a desire to kick up my heels or do something because a young person would do it-- nor to give up what I like because it's not age appropriate. <br /><br />When I turned 60, it bothered me. I think because it felt like the gateway to old age and leaving beyond middle age. Turns out 60s are kind of a vague period and not really the same for how they impact us; but for me they ended up feeling more like middle age, other than a few more aches and paints and having to sign up for Medicare/make decisions on SS. Now though that I will turn 70 this year in October, I find it exhilarating. It's like okay now this is the real deal and I'm ready for it. I guess I'll find out if my 70s truly do feel more like genuine, real deal, old age. I've tried to experience what is happening in my life all along the way and that's what I expect for this period-- be there and don't pretend I am somewhere else. Rain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.com